Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

02/28/2023 03:30 PM Senate HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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Heard & Held
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Heard & Held
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        SB  53-COMPETENCY; INVOLUNTARY CIVIL COMMITMENTS                                                                    
SB  53-COMPETENCY; INVOLUNTARY CIVIL COMMITMENTS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON announced the consideration of SENATE BILL NO. 53                                                                  
"An Act relating to involuntary civil commitments."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:32:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MATT  CLAMAN,  District  H,  Alaska  State  Legislature,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska,  sponsor of  SB  53  said his  office  suggested                                                               
changes to SB  53 and that Ms. Potter would  provide a summary of                                                               
changes.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
EMMA  POTTER, Staff,  Senator Claman,  Alaska State  Legislature,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska, provided an explanation  of proposed changes from                                                               
Senator Claman's office to SB 53 as follows:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
       We are suggesting adding the crime of arson to the                                                                       
       legislation. This change reflects suggestions our                                                                        
     office  received  from  the Criminal  Division  of  the                                                                    
     Department of  Law. It is  their belief  that including                                                                    
     the felony  offense of arson,  in addition to  a felony                                                                    
     offense  against the  person, is  necessary for  public                                                                    
     safety.  The   suggested  change   includes  conforming                                                                    
     changes in Section  1, Section 2, and Section  4 of the                                                                    
     legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     There are  two suggested  changes to  Section 4  of the                                                                    
     legislation.  The first  change is  the removal  of the                                                                    
     word  "repeated" from  Section  4, line  8.  It is  our                                                                    
     intention   that  the   provisions   outlined  in   the                                                                    
     legislation apply upon a person's  first dismissal of a                                                                    
     felony  level  offense  against a  person.  The  second                                                                    
     change  modifies Section  4(e). The  subsection relates                                                                    
     to  the ability  of individuals  to petition  for early                                                                    
     release. The  suggested change is to  create a one-year                                                                    
     limit on a new petition  from the individual both after                                                                    
     the  initial order  for  involuntary  commitment up  to                                                                    
     five years  and a subsequent  denial of a  petition for                                                                    
     early release.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     There are three suggested  changes in AS 12.47.100. The                                                                    
     first change is to add  a requirement that requests for                                                                    
     competency  evaluation in  AS 12.47.100  to be  written                                                                    
     requests. The  second change allows the  court to order                                                                    
     defendants  evaluated  for  competency  at  out-patient                                                                    
     facilities while on bail. The  third change states that                                                                    
     when the  psychiatrist or  psychologist finds  that the                                                                    
     defendant is  incompetent and the defendant  is charged                                                                    
     with a felony offense against  the person or arson, the                                                                    
     psychiatrist   or  psychologist   may  evaluation   the                                                                    
     defendant  for   involuntary  commitment.   The  fourth                                                                    
     change  allows the  court to  order defendants  treated                                                                    
     for competency  restoration at out-  patient facilities                                                                    
     on bail.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Other  changes  to  Title  12  include  increasing  the                                                                    
     maximum  time  a person  can  be  held for  restoration                                                                    
     competency from one year to  two years, adding language                                                                    
     that  if  a  court  dismisses  the  charges  against  a                                                                    
     defendant  for   incompetence  for  a   felony  offense                                                                    
     against a  person or  arson, the  defendant may  not be                                                                    
     discharged  until 72  hours after  the court  dismisses                                                                    
     the charges. This is meant  to allow time for the civil                                                                    
     commitment petition to be filed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The final  change for Title  12 is changing  the number                                                                    
     of evaluations  by a psychiatrist or  psychologist from                                                                    
     two to  one for the  insanity defense. This  will match                                                                    
     the  number of  evaluations required  for the  insanity                                                                    
     defense to  the number  of evaluations required  in the                                                                    
     process  for both  the  evaluation  for competency  and                                                                    
     involuntary commitment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The final group  of changes to the  legislation that we                                                                    
     are proposing  addresses alleged  victim notice  in the                                                                    
     specific instance  for an individual  found incompetent                                                                    
     to  stand  trial  and  related  felony  level  offenses                                                                    
     against the person or arson are dismissed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The current version of the  bill creates a duty for the                                                                    
     department of  law to file a  civil commitment petition                                                                    
     upon  the dismissal  of felony  level offenses  against                                                                    
     the person based on an  incompetency finding. The first                                                                    
     change  is  a  process  change and  would  require  the                                                                    
     Criminal Division  to notify the Civil  Division of the                                                                    
     Department  of Law  within 24  hours  of charges  being                                                                    
     dismissed  in the  situation that  the bill  addresses.                                                                    
     The second change is also  a process change, and states                                                                    
     that  the  Civil Division  shall  file  a petition  for                                                                    
     involuntary   commitment  within   72   hours  of   the                                                                    
     dismissal  of charges  in the  situation that  the bill                                                                    
     addresses.  The third  change is  creating a  right for                                                                    
     the alleged  victim in  the dismissed  criminal charges                                                                    
     to receive  notice of the  time and place of  any civil                                                                    
     commitment proceeding of the  courts finding, any civil                                                                    
     commitment  proceeding, including  the  length of  time                                                                    
     for which the respondent is  committed, and of when the                                                                    
     respondent is discharged from any civil commitment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:36:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL said that in SB 53, page 2, line 12, the word                                                                   
"repeated" appears. She asked if it would also be removed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CLAMAN replied that the intent is to remove all                                                                         
references to the word "repeated."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:37:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  noted that Senator Claman's  office had conversed                                                               
with the  Criminal Division  of the  Department of  Law regarding                                                               
changes  to SB  53. He  asked Senator  Claman if  his office  had                                                               
considered  the  notional  changes  in  Disability  Law  Center's                                                               
letter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:37:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  said  he  is  always  happy  to  talk  with  the                                                               
Disability Law Center. The center  has yet to schedule a meeting,                                                               
but his  office has  worked successfully with  the center  in the                                                               
past. He said  he does not agree with their  interpretation of SB
53 in  all instances. He stated  his belief that the  center does                                                               
not like the notional five-year  commitment. He opined that other                                                               
than  dismissing SB  53,  the only  resolution  the center  would                                                               
consider is returning to a six-month commitment process.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:38:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  asked if  there would  be a  committee substitute                                                               
for SB 53 rather than amendments.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON said that was  correct. The committee previously ran                                                               
out of time  to talk about changes  to SB 53. He  wanted to allow                                                               
the sponsor time to talk  about the changes and receive community                                                               
feedback before requesting a committee substitute.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:39:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  said he  is uncomfortable adding  arson to  SB 53                                                               
because it is a novel bill  that changes criminal law in response                                                               
to a  tragedy. He opined that  changes to criminal law  should be                                                               
narrowly  focused  on   a  set  of  circumstances.   He  said  he                                                               
understands the Criminal Division's  perspective because arson is                                                               
dangerous; but  so is drunk  driving, which may kill  more people                                                               
on average  than arsonists. He  said that once crimes  other than                                                               
against people  are included, a  variety of crimes may  fall into                                                               
the dangerous  category. There  may be enough  votes in  favor of                                                               
including arson, but he does not favor its inclusion in SB 53.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN said  SB 53  will not  suddenly create  a massive                                                               
number  of people  that will  fall into  a very  narrow focus  of                                                               
incompetent, non-restorable  people who reach a  certain level of                                                               
dangerousness. He  said he does not  think there is a  history of                                                               
felony  DUI offenders  being incompetent  and non-restorable.  He                                                               
suggested  Mr.  Skidmore  could   explain  why  arson  should  be                                                               
included in  SB 53 along with  the other felony crimes  against a                                                               
person.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:42:10 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  SKIDMORE,  Deputy   Attorney  General,  Criminal  Division,                                                               
Alaska Department  of Law, Anchorage,  Alaska, said  the division                                                               
included  arson in  SB  53  because the  elements  of the  crime,                                                               
particularly arson  in the first  degree, require  another person                                                               
to be harmed or be at risk of  harm. He said the same steps would                                                               
not  apply to  someone  with  a DUI  unless  another person  were                                                               
injured,  thereby making  it  a DUI  with  felony assault,  which                                                               
would be in the same conduct group  listed in SB 53. He said that                                                               
from  his  25 years  of  practice,  the  most serious  cases  the                                                               
division  sees are  homicides, sexual  assaults, and  arson. When                                                               
released from  care, individuals  with mental health  issues pose                                                               
the greatest  danger and risk  to the public. Including  arson in                                                               
SB 53 is ultimately a policy call for the legislature to make.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:43:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR asked if it is  correct to say felony arson should                                                               
be  included  in  SB  53  because  the  crime  satisfies  similar                                                               
elements to a crime against a  person, but for some reason, arson                                                               
is not categorized as a crime against a person.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:44:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SKIDMORE replied  that the state codified arson  in AS 11.46,                                                               
property offenses.  However, arson involves an  element of danger                                                               
or risk of  danger to others which separates it  from the type of                                                               
conduct  seen in  most  property crimes.  The  rationale is  that                                                               
setting fire to a structure places  other human beings at risk of                                                               
physical  harm.  That  is  why  it  makes  sense  from  a  policy                                                               
perspective to  include it in SB  53 with other crimes  against a                                                               
person.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:45:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR asked  whether  an arsonist  would  have to  know                                                               
someone was in the building  before the crime could be classified                                                               
as  being   against  a  person.   Senator  Dunbar   compared  the                                                               
governor's bill  on fentanyl distribution to  arson. The governor                                                               
is  seeking  additional   penalties  for  fentanyl  distribution.                                                               
Distribution is  not a crime  against a  person, but it  is being                                                               
categorized  as one  of  the  most dangerous  crimes,  and it  is                                                               
likely  to result  in the  deaths of  many people.  He asked  why                                                               
felony arson is worse than fentanyl distribution.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:45:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SKIDMORE responded  that the nature of arson poses  a risk to                                                               
others and  therefore does not  require foreknowledge  of someone                                                               
in  the building.  The governor's  bill on  fentanyl distribution                                                               
penalties  addresses  the  crimes of  manslaughter  or  homicide,                                                               
which are  AS 11.41 crimes. SB  53 would include AS  11.41 crimes                                                               
because they are  crimes against a person. He  opined that simple                                                               
distribution of drugs  would not suddenly be a  crime included in                                                               
SB 53.  However, when distribution  of drugs causes the  death of                                                               
someone  there  are provisions  in  crimes  against persons  that                                                               
apply.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN said  there is a boundary  between operating with                                                               
intent versus being incompetent to  act with intent. He asked Mr.                                                               
Skidmore  to  speak  to  intent and  the  topics  mentioned.  For                                                               
example,  he wondered  how somebody  would be  a drug  dealer via                                                               
mental incompetence. He opined that  drug dealing would require a                                                               
certain competence that maybe drunk driving and arson would not.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:48:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SKIDMORE said SB 53  addresses when an individual has engaged                                                               
in  conduct  that would  be  considered  criminal but  for  their                                                               
inability to assist  in their defense; this is  the definition of                                                               
incompetency.  The  state  attempts  to  restore  the  person  to                                                               
competency.  If restoration  cannot  occur,  there are  questions                                                               
about whether a person meets  the standards for civil commitment.                                                               
Competency is not about a  person's ability to engage in conduct.                                                               
There are two elements to any  criminal act, the actus reus which                                                               
is the  physical act, and mens  rea which is the  mental element.                                                               
Competency is the ability to  assist counsel in defending against                                                               
accusations.  The intent  is the  ability for  someone to  decide                                                               
they  will  commit  a  particular   action,  which  is  not  what                                                               
incompetency necessarily addresses.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:49:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON held SB 53 in committee.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 51 Legislation V. A 2.7.2023.PDF SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 Sponsor Statement 2.7.2023.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 Sectional Analysis 2.7.2023.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 FN 1 - DCCED CBPL.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 Research 2023AKVMA-PDMP Flyer 2.7.2023.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 Research 2023AKVMA-PDMPWhitePaper 2.7.2023.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 - Support VerSteeg.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB0059A.PDF SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 59
SB 59 02.02.23 Imp. EO 121 TL Senate.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 59
SB 59 Sectional Analysis (Version A) 2-15-23.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 59
SB 59 LL0343-3-DOH-CO-1-31-2023.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 59
SB 59 FN LL0343-3-DFCS-1-31-2023.PDF SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 59
SB 53 Disability Law Center Senate HSS comments 2 21.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 53
SB51 Vet Exemption from PMP - letter - Animal Policy Group.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51
SB 51 Hearing Slides 2023.pdf SHSS 2/28/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 51